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	<title>Comments on: Typical Lawyer</title>
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		<title>By: TK</title>
		<link>http://erstories.net/archives/333#comment-2032</link>
		<dc:creator>TK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad to hear comments from those in the legal profession.  I too don't feel that ALL lawyers are bad - but the way our system is set up, it just creates the market for frivolous suits, and helps spawn unethical lawyers who make WAY too much money doing such things. Unless one can break the stranglehold that these ambulance chasers seem to have on our government, I don't see how the contingency fee system will go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad to hear comments from those in the legal profession.  I too don&#8217;t feel that ALL lawyers are bad - but the way our system is set up, it just creates the market for frivolous suits, and helps spawn unethical lawyers who make WAY too much money doing such things. Unless one can break the stranglehold that these ambulance chasers seem to have on our government, I don&#8217;t see how the contingency fee system will go away.</p>
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		<title>By: NMCesq</title>
		<link>http://erstories.net/archives/333#comment-2031</link>
		<dc:creator>NMCesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drsam -

I agree on all counts.  The referral fee clarification was aimed at the "in-house" in the post - not Loth.  I happen to agree (shh...don't let the rest of my profession hear) that contingency fees are a large part of what has contributed to the litigious nature of our society.  Thus, I practice on the defense side...surprise, surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drsam -</p>
<p>I agree on all counts.  The referral fee clarification was aimed at the &#8220;in-house&#8221; in the post - not Loth.  I happen to agree (shh&#8230;don&#8217;t let the rest of my profession hear) that contingency fees are a large part of what has contributed to the litigious nature of our society.  Thus, I practice on the defense side&#8230;surprise, surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: drsam</title>
		<link>http://erstories.net/archives/333#comment-2030</link>
		<dc:creator>drsam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s.  Oh and by the way NMC, just for further clarification, I am not one who is in any way inclined to malign the legal profession as a whole.

I firmly believe that the practice of law is a noble and honorable pursuit.  I am in fact married to an attorney and I hold her professionalism in the utmost regard.

That said, I observe sadly that both your profession and mine seem to have too many members whose level of professionalism is not deserving of much regard, and their numbers seem to be growing in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s.  Oh and by the way NMC, just for further clarification, I am not one who is in any way inclined to malign the legal profession as a whole.</p>
<p>I firmly believe that the practice of law is a noble and honorable pursuit.  I am in fact married to an attorney and I hold her professionalism in the utmost regard.</p>
<p>That said, I observe sadly that both your profession and mine seem to have too many members whose level of professionalism is not deserving of much regard, and their numbers seem to be growing in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: drsam</title>
		<link>http://erstories.net/archives/333#comment-2029</link>
		<dc:creator>drsam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 19:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://erstories.net/archives/333#comment-2029</guid>
		<description>NMC,

Just for clarification, my little sarcastic rant wasn't really directed at the concept of referral fees, but was rather in response to Loth's statement...

"In fact, in this country, we are not allowed to charge fees which are a proportion of damages recovered. We charge for the work actually done on a time and line basis and the charges are subject to the scrutiny of an independent auditor if the client wishes."

While I also have a problem with the referral fee idea, I was specifically ranting against the way many (most) plaintiff's attorneys charge on a contingency fee basis.

You see their ads on television (another lack of professionalism in my opinion by the way) all the time with statements along the lines of "If you've been hurt call me and I'll get you the money you deserve.  Just one call, that's all.  You won't be charged a cent unless we win!"

It is my opinion that this absolute lack of having anything to lose on the part of a potential plaintiff plays a big role in the existence of frivolous lawsuits.

I think that a system like Loth describes working under in Scotland sounds like a much more fair and reasonable system.

Guess that makes me (and Scotland) fascist. 

Who knew?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NMC,</p>
<p>Just for clarification, my little sarcastic rant wasn&#8217;t really directed at the concept of referral fees, but was rather in response to Loth&#8217;s statement&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;In fact, in this country, we are not allowed to charge fees which are a proportion of damages recovered. We charge for the work actually done on a time and line basis and the charges are subject to the scrutiny of an independent auditor if the client wishes.&#8221;</p>
<p>While I also have a problem with the referral fee idea, I was specifically ranting against the way many (most) plaintiff&#8217;s attorneys charge on a contingency fee basis.</p>
<p>You see their ads on television (another lack of professionalism in my opinion by the way) all the time with statements along the lines of &#8220;If you&#8217;ve been hurt call me and I&#8217;ll get you the money you deserve.  Just one call, that&#8217;s all.  You won&#8217;t be charged a cent unless we win!&#8221;</p>
<p>It is my opinion that this absolute lack of having anything to lose on the part of a potential plaintiff plays a big role in the existence of frivolous lawsuits.</p>
<p>I think that a system like Loth describes working under in Scotland sounds like a much more fair and reasonable system.</p>
<p>Guess that makes me (and Scotland) fascist. </p>
<p>Who knew?</p>
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		<title>By: NMCesq</title>
		<link>http://erstories.net/archives/333#comment-2027</link>
		<dc:creator>NMCesq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://erstories.net/archives/333#comment-2027</guid>
		<description>Not sure what US attorneys you speak with (as I am a member of the maligned profession) but most states have ethics laws that prohibit the collection of  excessive fees, and referral fees fall into this category.  True, some referral fees are collected and paid (not by my office I am proud to say), but they still cannot be so great as to be seen as excessive fees.  The frame of reference is generally is "does the fee received reflect the work that was actually performed by the attorney."  In other words a huge payment for picking up the phone and referring to a colleague is generally not going to pass that test.   The state bar for this attorney should be consulted…it is such behavior that infuriates the ethical members of the profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what US attorneys you speak with (as I am a member of the maligned profession) but most states have ethics laws that prohibit the collection of  excessive fees, and referral fees fall into this category.  True, some referral fees are collected and paid (not by my office I am proud to say), but they still cannot be so great as to be seen as excessive fees.  The frame of reference is generally is &#8220;does the fee received reflect the work that was actually performed by the attorney.&#8221;  In other words a huge payment for picking up the phone and referring to a colleague is generally not going to pass that test.   The state bar for this attorney should be consulted…it is such behavior that infuriates the ethical members of the profession.</p>
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		<title>By: drsam</title>
		<link>http://erstories.net/archives/333#comment-2026</link>
		<dc:creator>drsam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://erstories.net/archives/333#comment-2026</guid>
		<description>Loth,

Almost every time I ever have a discussion with lawyers in this country (U.S.) in which I suggest that the contingency based fee system should be abolished and replaced by the sort of sytem you describe working under in Scotland, I am met with histrionic outcries about how I want to strip people of their rights, how I just don't understand anything about the legal system, how I must be an enemy of true justice, blah, blah, blah, etc.

Therefore, based upon what you have written, I can only conclude that Scotland must be a horrible oppressive place where people have no rights and justice is just a pipe-dream.

Surely they must have armed guards at the borders preventing people from escaping the country similar to the former Eastern Block nations.

It must be terrible for you to live there.  I had no idea Scotland was so bad.  You and your fellow countrymen have my deepest sympathies.  Perhaps we should set up a Voice of America radio network to broadcast into your country.

By the way, I'm sure since you posted your description here on the internet, the jackbooted thugs who must surely be monitoring your connection will be kicking in your door any moment know.  Please, run and hide while you still can!

(Please note the heavy sarcasm here in case it is not apparent enough.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loth,</p>
<p>Almost every time I ever have a discussion with lawyers in this country (U.S.) in which I suggest that the contingency based fee system should be abolished and replaced by the sort of sytem you describe working under in Scotland, I am met with histrionic outcries about how I want to strip people of their rights, how I just don&#8217;t understand anything about the legal system, how I must be an enemy of true justice, blah, blah, blah, etc.</p>
<p>Therefore, based upon what you have written, I can only conclude that Scotland must be a horrible oppressive place where people have no rights and justice is just a pipe-dream.</p>
<p>Surely they must have armed guards at the borders preventing people from escaping the country similar to the former Eastern Block nations.</p>
<p>It must be terrible for you to live there.  I had no idea Scotland was so bad.  You and your fellow countrymen have my deepest sympathies.  Perhaps we should set up a Voice of America radio network to broadcast into your country.</p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;m sure since you posted your description here on the internet, the jackbooted thugs who must surely be monitoring your connection will be kicking in your door any moment know.  Please, run and hide while you still can!</p>
<p>(Please note the heavy sarcasm here in case it is not apparent enough.)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://erstories.net/archives/333#comment-2025</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://erstories.net/archives/333#comment-2025</guid>
		<description>Yeah, I was just thinking -- this lawyer could get disbarred for that sort of thing.  Your friend ought to contact the state bar ethics committee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I was just thinking &#8212; this lawyer could get disbarred for that sort of thing.  Your friend ought to contact the state bar ethics committee.</p>
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		<title>By: Loth</title>
		<link>http://erstories.net/archives/333#comment-2021</link>
		<dc:creator>Loth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 12:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://erstories.net/archives/333#comment-2021</guid>
		<description>I'm a lawyer in Scotland and we would get struck off for this sort of behaviour.  In fact, in this country, we are not allowed to charge fees which are a proportion of damages recovered. We charge for the work actually done on a time and line basis and the charges are subject to the scrutiny of an independent auditor if the client wishes.  Reading this sort of stuff makes me cringe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a lawyer in Scotland and we would get struck off for this sort of behaviour.  In fact, in this country, we are not allowed to charge fees which are a proportion of damages recovered. We charge for the work actually done on a time and line basis and the charges are subject to the scrutiny of an independent auditor if the client wishes.  Reading this sort of stuff makes me cringe.</p>
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